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2 minutes ago, Troll said:

Europe is where we were in December, with the Kent variant now the dominant one.  We would be so fucked if we'd not gone all in on the vaccine.  If we had a similar vaccination rate to the EU, we'd probably have to lock down fully a month after reopening.

Basically every country in the world seems to need permanent lockdown until the vaccine is widespread, right? With the odd exception of those who did really well at the start (NZ etc).

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Just had an email from work asking what kind of office working hours would we all prefer post covid, social distancing and restrictions and we had 3 options:

1. 3 days in office, available full capacity. 2 from home. 
2. 2 days in office, available full capacity. 3 from home. 
3. 1 day in office full capacity & 2 days in office department rotation. 2 days from home.

Quite surprised. Was quite willing to have a 5 day office week but freely available working from home options. But seems like they want to close the office or at least not have to offer full capacity for a good chunk. Getting this and reading PwC thing about their office hours thoughts is a bit of a surprise. 

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1 day the office would be available for full capacity, should everyone want to come in. Free to not too, though. 2 other days would see limited capacity. And not be available for everyone, but probably a couple of departments each day. They havent really added any more detail. It's weird though as this is post restrictions planning. So it's not limited capacity to allow for distancing etc. I assume theyre expecting less people to be using the office so if they limit capacity on certain days they can plan for reduced costs on those days. Probably save on cleaners etc. Where as if they just planned and paid for full capacity every day but loads of people never bothered coming in, it'd be a waste of money. 

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25 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Just had an email from work asking what kind of office working hours would we all prefer post covid, social distancing and restrictions and we had 3 options:

1. 3 days in office, available full capacity. 2 from home. 
2. 2 days in office, available full capacity. 3 from home. 
3. 1 day in office full capacity & 2 days in office department rotation. 2 days from home.

Quite surprised. Was quite willing to have a 5 day office week but freely available working from home options. But seems like they want to close the office or at least not have to offer full capacity for a good chunk. Getting this and reading PwC thing about their office hours thoughts is a bit of a surprise. 

Mine is going from 100% capacity in the office whilst allowing WFH if needed so long as it's not too often to 60% office capacity and you're expected to do 40% office, 60% home.

It's not a change I'm looking forward to tbh. Whilst WFH is nice I'd rather places were just more flexible about allowing it rather than it being something enforced on us.

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:lol: Yeah after a year of working from home I'm fucking done and would happily go in most days for a bit of scenery change, other people to talk to, ease of going out after etc. And like you say, the increase in flexibility would be enough. I would likely chose to work from home 1 day a week, maybe 2 max. I live 30 mins walk away from work though so commuting and the subsequent time wasted doesn't impact my day like others. Who are understandably more keen to work from home and not commute as much as possible.

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22 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Just had an email from work asking what kind of office working hours would we all prefer post covid, social distancing and restrictions and we had 3 options:

1. 3 days in office, available full capacity. 2 from home. 
2. 2 days in office, available full capacity. 3 from home. 
3. 1 day in office full capacity & 2 days in office department rotation. 2 days from home.

Quite surprised. Was quite willing to have a 5 day office week but freely available working from home options. But seems like they want to close the office or at least not have to offer full capacity for a good chunk. Getting this and reading PwC thing about their office hours thoughts is a bit of a surprise. 

The company I worked for for 20 years and was made redundant from last May, told all employees at it's central London office last week that it was closing the offices, and staff could either work from home more or move to one of the smaller satellite offices.

The strange thing is, I started there in 2000 at Baker Street, and the building had previously been used by the military during WW2. There were those big steel doors with the wheels to open them.

Also there were many rooms in the basement that were where the Special Operations Executive planned their sea strategy.

But being over 100 years old, 6 stories high and full of mice, dust and cracked masonry, they decide to renovate it in 2012, so we moved to Oxford Street for two years.

They must've spent £10s of millions renovating it, it took over 2 and a half years to complete, and we we're only back in there for about 4 years before the lockdown hit.

I wonder how many more of these massive central London office blocks will be vacated?

 

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34 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Just had an email from work asking what kind of office working hours would we all prefer post covid, social distancing and restrictions and we had 3 options:

1. 3 days in office, available full capacity. 2 from home. 
2. 2 days in office, available full capacity. 3 from home. 
3. 1 day in office full capacity & 2 days in office department rotation. 2 days from home.

Quite surprised. Was quite willing to have a 5 day office week but freely available working from home options. But seems like they want to close the office or at least not have to offer full capacity for a good chunk. Getting this and reading PwC thing about their office hours thoughts is a bit of a surprise. 

Isn't the PwC thing more just a case of tell us what 24 hours in a day you want to work?

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It would crush me to go back to 5 days in the office TBH. Might even consider leaving my career.

I think either ‘just come in for key meetings’ or a regular 1 or 2 days would be the best. Or maybe 1 week completely from home plus 3 days the next week - to allow for flexibility in where I live. 

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I loathe constantly working from home so I'm longing for us to get an email like that. Not that we will, I wouldn't have thought. Our place had been itching to get folks out of the office long before the pandemic came along so it's forced the culture change they were after. But I think there's far too great a percentage of the workforce who don't like it for it to become a permanent arrangement though, thankfully. That said, who knows? Local government reorganisation will happen in North Yorkshire within two or three years so there's the worry it might be used as an excuse to put-off a new office working regime indefinitely.

I just miss being around people and I can't deny that my work ethic has taken a dent in this environment; which makes me feel physically ill at times cos I enjoy grafting to the point of being knackered, and it bothers me that I'm dithering and procrastinating a lot more than I would be if surrounded by colleagues and superiors whom I want to impress. Just really struggle with motivation at times though, and that's having actually changed jobs too (which hasn't gone anywhere near as well as I'd have liked it to thus far, precisely because of all the home working). Then comes the anxiety about it all, and it's generally a bit of a miserable place to be. Which I'm feeling right now. Bleh. 'least I'm in a stable job caveat. 

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Ours, whenever it happens, it’s probably going to be 1 or 2 days max in the office per week, but flexible if people wish to go in more.  We have a brand spanking new office in the Newcastle Helix, which has seen about 10 people in since November. We have a desk booking system, so if we’re going in, we book a desk. When we leave, it sends a notification that our desk has been used and needs to be cleaned. 😂
 

I for one will be doing the 1-2 days back, as I’m a proper social person and have missed people. But yeah, I have zero desire to go back to working in the office full time. 

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9 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I loathe constantly working from home so I'm longing for us to get an email like that. Not that we will, I wouldn't have thought. Our place had been itching to get folks out of the office long before the pandemic came along so it's forced the culture change they were after. But I think there's far too great a percentage of the workforce who don't like it for it to become a permanent arrangement though, thankfully. That said, who knows? Local government reorganisation will happen in North Yorkshire within two or three years so there's the worry it might be used as an excuse to put-off a new office working regime indefinitely.

I just miss being around people and I can't deny that my work ethic has taken a dent in this environment; which makes me feel physically ill at times cos I enjoy grafting to the point of being knackered, and it bothers me that I'm dithering and procrastinating a lot more than I would be if surrounded by colleagues and superiors whom I want to impress. Just really struggle with motivation at times though, and that's having actually changed jobs too (which hasn't gone anywhere near as well as I'd have liked it to thus far, precisely because of all the home working). Then comes the anxiety about it all, and it's generally a bit of a miserable place to be. Which I'm feeling right now. Bleh. 'least I'm in a stable job caveat. 

Absolutely motivation is a big factor. So is the ability to compartmentalise the differences between work and home, and also the prep for work, at home. The routine definitely helps me. Helps me plan my day a lot better than I can do off my own bat at home. Dont get anywhere near as much done. I would like that defined time and space in which to do the work I'm paid for rather than the murky, easily avoidable time boxes I get sitting at home. 

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2 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Absolutely motivation is a big factor. So is the ability to compartmentalise the differences between work and home, and also the prep for work, at home. The routine definitely helps me. Helps me plan my day a lot better than I can do off my own bat at home. Dont get anywhere near as much done. I would like that defined time and space in which to do the work I'm paid for rather than the murky, easily avoidable time boxes I get sitting at home. 

Assuming that was meant to be 'tick' boxes - do you mean you get delegated different tasks by virtue of you home-working? Or do you mean: because you're working from home, you end up doing less important, easier tasks? Cos if it's the latter, I'm a bit like that. Just flick through whatever low hanging fruit I can find and put off the bigger stuff for no good reason. 

Realise that all of these issues are in my control and I have the agency to sort out (there's that anxiety again :aww:) - the overall point I'm making is that it's harder to feel motivated in this environment. 

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Being in lockdown without the option to do or go anywhere else probably compounds the negatives of WFH. I worked from home for 18 months before Covid hit and it really is a night and day difference for me.

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Each to their own, as I appreciate there are pros and cons of both work and home and people have different personalities and priorities, but is the thought of normally being stuck at home without any face to face communication not a bit depressing?

For me I manage because I assume it's not going to be a permanent thing. I'd happily not come into the office every day, but I'd rather do it the majority of the time. I need to leave the house and chat to people in person. I hate having to communicate over Teams and the constant notifications and additional communication time is a bit awkward when you need to focus etc. I find meetings just don't go nearly as smoothly also.

Also there's the social life side of it. I appreciate not everyone is that sociable with colleagues (I haven't always be in previous offices), but I like being able to go for drinks after work as well as having Christmas, summer parties etc. Maybe I'm just a bit of a social animal, but if you don't even need to be in the same office let alone city as other people, that side of work could disappear.

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Just read up on Chile, looks like they opened up when around 1/3rd of the population had been vaccinated so people relaxed too early and now they're back in the shit ?

 

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37 minutes ago, ElDiablo said:

Being in lockdown without the option to do or go anywhere else probably compounds the negatives of WFH. I worked from home for 18 months before Covid hit and it really is a night and day difference for me.

Exactly, probably heavily linked to the lack of focus too. Everyone has nothing to do outside work and is under chronic stress from the pandemic.

Working from home is a different experience entirely in normal times, when you can socialise outside of work time.

Also think coworking spaces in smaller towns and suburbs might be a good idea. One just opened in Bromley for people who are sick of WFH but don’t want to travel into central London as much. 

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Doing 1 day in a week at the moment, luckily for us our business area divides up into five so it worked out nicely. I'm firmly of a view that a flexible hybrid approach is best for what we do, I used to do 1-2 days at home every couple of weeks before- I would save up a piece of work which needed focus, which is easier at home than in the office. But I don't get any of the little stuff done when I'm WFH, I just can't be arsed. What's most effectively will vary massively on the role, the nature of the employee and their personal circumstances.

Long-term I would love to do 2-3 days a week in London while living up in the Highlands. Lots of folk have been doing that already.

 

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