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No surprise sadly.

 

Abuse on the rise across the board. Won't be surprised if there's a few serious physically attacks when lockdown is lifted. Even black WSL players are getting it.

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Can't condone death threats obviously, but wouldn't it be a good idea if a referee who had such a stinker, VAR aided and all, was made to sit out a few games by the FA anyway? I don't see how a referee can get away with making such obvious mistakes scot-free. It displays clearly the ref in question is either incompetent, blind or biased and neither of those explanations are satisfactory at this level. Easy new rule proposal: if a decision for which the ref had the benefit of VAR is overturned after the game that ref is made to sit out the next round of games.

 

In general I think English referees are far too protected. Over here in the past 10 or so years whenever there has been a controversial decision made by a ref in a televised game that ref was shown the TV image afterwards and asked to comment/explain. It's happened quite a few times, especially pre-VAR, that the ref had to hold their hands up and say they misjudged the situation. Shit happens, people make mistakes, but quite frankly I can't see how a referee can just be back officiating another game a few days after such an inexplicably bad decision. It makes a completely mockery of VAR and refereeing in general.

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Yet Mike Dean didn't give either of those red cards initially, he gave them after another referee at Stockley Park told him they thought they were red and to have a look. So that's 3 referees you've got to take out of circulation.

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These threats etc are ridiculous for 2 reasons.

 

1) Obviously they're moronic, sick and from utter creeps, but also

 

2) They'll probably detract from him getting several clear decisions completely wrong, and detract from VAR fucking up too.

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Don't condone any abuse online or otherwise and certainly not death threats.

 

However, in society we have always had people like that. The way Mike Dean has so arrogantly conducted himself for years, obviously craving the attention  his actions generate. It would be pretty naive of him not to expect abuse. He chooses to act the way he does. Other referees fly under the radar in comparison. I'm surprised it's taken this long for some silly twat  to take it too far.

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Can't condone death threats obviously, but wouldn't it be a good idea if a referee who had such a stinker, VAR aided and all, was made to sit out a few games by the FA anyway? I don't see how a referee can get away with making such obvious mistakes scot-free. It displays clearly the ref in question is either incompetent, blind or biased and neither of those explanations are satisfactory at this level. Easy new rule proposal: if a decision for which the ref had the benefit of VAR is overturned after the game that ref is made to sit out the next round of games.

 

In general I think English referees are far too protected. Over here in the past 10 or so years whenever there has been a controversial decision made by a ref in a televised game that ref was shown the TV image afterwards and asked to comment/explain. It's happened quite a few times, especially pre-VAR, that the ref had to hold their hands up and say they misjudged the situation. Shit happens, people make mistakes, but quite frankly I can't see how a referee can just be back officiating another game a few days after such an inexplicably bad decision. It makes a completely mockery of VAR and refereeing in general.

 

Agree with this entirely. I hate how managers/players have to face the cameras (and criticism eh Steve) after every game but referees are never taken to task despite the uniformly shit standard of officiating in England. I don't condone death threats/vile social media abuse to refs (or anyone) either, but when their wank decisions don't lead to any kind of negative for them I can sort of see why the more deranged fan would direct that at a referee through those channels for sure. Particularly someone as smug, attention-seeking and arrogant as Mike Dean.

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There's always going to be some subjectivity on decisions on a football pitch, and there's nothing to say that the opinion of a panel meeting a few days afterwards is necesarily going to be more valid than that of a PL official. But there needs to be a tipping point where a referee is told to sit out a couple of weeks, and doing it when you've had a decision or multiple decisions overturned seems as reasonable as any.

 

I mean fuck me, those two red card decisions were so bad, the Bednarek one in particular, that it seems common sense that you'd pull him out of this week's action.

 

Not to condone the idiotic behaviour, but I'm genuinely surprised that this is the first time Dean has received any threats. Not because he's any worse than other referees, but because he conducts himself like a complete wanker.

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Referee’s want to help themselves before they ask for anyone else to support them.

It doesn’t help that they constantly allow players to talk to them like shit, especially players at certain clubs.

Nor does it help when they show bias in other areas.

 

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Start booking and sending players off for dissent would, of course, be the right course of action. If a club does it more than x times they get fined. If you get fined x then further sanctions.

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Start booking and sending players off for dissent would, of course, be the right course of action. If a club does it more than x times they get fined. If you get fined x then further sanctions.

 

Absolutely.

 

Do it at the start of a season, across the continent, and stick with it. It'll be carnage for 3 or 4 weeks then it would just stop. Players would shut the fuck up. The refs need to just be firm and not crumble once City or Liverpool go down to 8 players on consecutive weekends or something like that.

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Start booking and sending players off for dissent would, of course, be the right course of action. If a club does it more than x times they get fined. If you get fined x then further sanctions.

 

They had that thing where they moved a free kick forward for dissent but got rid of it.

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The way the Saints players crowded the ref at the end of the first half should just not be allowed.

Lets not forget that VAR showed their played dived for a penalty, the penalty was overturned but no yellow for the dive.
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