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Newcastle United Supporters Trust (NUST)   

113 members have voted

  1. 1. Have you / do you intend to pledge to the 1892 Pledge scheme orchestrated by the NUST?

    • Yes
      56
    • No
      48


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3 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

They’d rather sit back and watch their club die.

The only positive action they do is whinge on a Football forum. For all I feel as though we could have been stronger as a fan base, them spineless cunts are an embarrassment. 

Yet somehow they've fluked out with a new, wealthy owner. Makes you sick.

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Just now, Doctor Zaius said:

Yet somehow they've fluked out with a new, wealthy owner. Makes you sick.

I just hope the fact that Donald and the Salmon pants wearing Tory are still around is bad news for them. 

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5 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

They’d rather sit back and watch their club die.

The only positive action they do is whinge on a Football forum. For all I feel as though we could have been stronger as a fan base, them spineless cunts are an embarrassment. 

They are in another league (literally [emoji38]when it comes to being spineless where their club is concerned. We may be a divided fanbase but we’ve been proactive over the years with Sack Pardew/Ashley Out and the NUST etc. organising things, as well as the brilliant efforts of Wor Flags.

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Just now, HTT II said:

They are in another league (literally :lol:) when it comes to being spineless where their club is concerned. We may be a divided fanbase but we’ve been proactive with Sack Pardew/Ashley Out and the NUST etc. Organising things, as well as the brilliant efforts if Wor Flags.

Aye mate, they would put anything that involves doing anything other than sitting calling Donald a cunt on Twitter “Mag behaviour”.

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They literally sat back and did fuck all while their club dropped two leagues down and were being used by two chancers who have pocketed all their money. Ironically the one man that put his own money in and wrote off any debt so they could get new owners, they hated him ha ha. 

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Find it amazing that we can still criticise the fans of other clubs, or take any pleasure in other clubs having shit owners and/or getting relegated. Surely we know what all of that feels like by now, and it's very shit.

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8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Find it amazing that we can still criticise the fans of other clubs, or take any pleasure in other clubs having shit owners and/or getting relegated. Surely we know what all of that feels like by now, and it's very shit.

I take no delight in the predicament SAFC as a club has found itself in as my son is at their academy, but I have zero empathy with their fans who would rather partake more of an active interest in the demise of our own club than their own, and purely out of spite and jealousy. I’m hoping the NUST’s current initiatives will have a knock on effect at other clubs mismanaged, badly owned and ran etc, to galvanise fans across the nation to finally take a stand against bad owners and reclaim their clubs back and indeed OUR game/sport.

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3 hours ago, Ben said:

Well done on Talksport this morning Greg you spoke very well, it sounds like a lot more fans are from other clubs are considering a similar scheme.

Any links to the interviews?

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Who gives a flying fuck about what Sunderland think? They're going to take the piss no matter what we do, so let them crack on being shite.

I've pledged. I have questions around the bigger plan etc. but fan ownership is something I've long had strong feelings about for a while, and I think there are some really good people involved in NUST who will improve/tweak this over time with the right direction from fans.

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I trust the current crew, but there is nothing to guarantee it will be the same team in 10 years. Having £500k in the bank will attract the wrong kind of people the the board. Nobody knows what Len McCluskey will be doing in 10 years time.

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1 minute ago, Happinesstan said:

I trust the current crew, but there is nothing to guarantee it will be the same team in 10 years. Having £500k in the bank will attract the wrong kind of people the the board. Nobody knows what Len McCluskey will be doing in 10 years time.

The money will be safe enough thats the responsibility of the Guardians not the board . For all i think its pie in the sky its hard to impugn their motives re £££

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27 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

I trust the current crew, but there is nothing to guarantee it will be the same team in 10 years. Having £500k in the bank will attract the wrong kind of people the the board. Nobody knows what Len McCluskey will be doing in 10 years time.

The Board has no say - no more than any single member - one member one vote.

This is why we appointed the four Guardians' in Warren Barton, Ian Mearns, Lee Humble and George Caulkin.

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29 minutes ago, Greg said:

The Board has no say - no more than any single member - one member one vote.

This is why we appointed the four Guardians' in Warren Barton, Ian Mearns, Lee Humble and George Caulkin.

Have they signed life long commitments in blood? My point still stands whether it is the board or guardians, neither are guaranteed to still be in place in 5/10 years.

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At 20k a month they'll be able to get a 1% share in 5 and a half years assuming whoever owns the club is willing to sell it based on current valuation.  That 1%, even if they're allowed to buy it will give them the sum total of fuck all say in anything that happens with the club.

If they weren't taking people's money for this I'd let it slide but come on.

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50 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

Have they signed life long commitments in blood? My point still stands whether it is the board or guardians, neither are guaranteed to still be in place in 5/10 years.

It doesn't really - all the governance and structural arrangements of a formally constituted organisation that reports to the Financial Conduct Authority protect you in this area in so far as possible. It's about as safe as it can get in this regard. No individual has any real degree of control. 

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8 minutes ago, loki679 said:

That 1%, even if they're allowed to buy it will give them the sum total of fuck all say in anything that happens with the club.

'Says who', I guess, is the rebuttal to that statement. Could easily be true but imagine if the next owners wanted to work with the fans. If Staveley et al are the new owners, every indication thus far is that they would. And we won't know unless we try. 

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so if I put my £1 in, and this somehow goes through... I won't even get a personal say in the day to day runnings of the club?!

fucking shambles. fuck off NUST.

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21 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

'Says who', I guess, is the rebuttal to that statement. Could easily be true but imagine if the next owners wanted to work with the fans. If Staveley et al are the new owners, every indication thus far is that they would. And we won't know unless we try. 

I am sure they would have wanted to work with the fans anyway without handing out a percentage. This puts a bit of pressure on them now to do that and if they don’t, is it then going to be held against them? 

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11 minutes ago, HUGZ said:

so if I put my £1 in, and this somehow goes through... I won't even get a personal say in the day to day runnings of the club?!

fucking shambles. fuck off NUST.

Kind of funny, if you like that kind of thing. 

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41 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

'Says who', I guess, is the rebuttal to that statement. Could easily be true but imagine if the next owners wanted to work with the fans. If Staveley et al are the new owners, every indication thus far is that they would. And we won't know unless we try. 

Greg What would you expect owning 1% of the club would give fans as regards how the club is run ? What decisions could they reasonably be expected to have a say on ?

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9 minutes ago, InspectorCoarse said:

Greg What would you expect owning 1% of the club would give fans as regards how the club is run ? What decisions could they reasonably be expected to have a say on ?

I'm not expecting anything at this stage - I don't have a crystal ball. But none of us are naïve enough to believe it lets you run a football club, but neither would be want that. Fan influence through fan ownership does not mean a fan run football club. Newcastle United should have the best in the business appointed to run it at the highest management levels. 

We've said 1% is a target. We hope any new owners of the club would want to engage with the Trust.  Buying a small part of the club just makes it more likely – but we are up front that it is outside of our control. We feel it’s better to try and influence things like this from the inside and through influence in behaviour and action than to do nothing and forever wonder. The rules and conditions around any investment can be tailored and negotiated as required at that point in time should we ever get there.

Beyond this, should the club be relegated (a distinct possibility) then larger shareholdings could be in theory more possible in the years to come if it is required - you could see this as a life insurance policy in the event the club tanks to avoid the vultures that circle those types of clubs for personal gain (see various clubs that have been screwed over).

It's worth noting as well that anything that happens in the future would need to be approved by members. As a PL club, committed owners who have a robust relationship with Supporters through the trust should not ever need to procure more funding from the fans. However it’s more likely if the club fell through the leagues this might need to happen.  There’s a lot of ‘maybe’ scenario’s that we can’t address until they potentially happen. What we are trying to do is put the Trust and the fans in a position to even be in the position to influence/finance things if it is required.  

We will say often we can offer few guarantees – only that any money raised can only be used to pay into the club in exchange for shares/influence or go to charity. 

 

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