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  1. 1. Have you / do you intend to pledge to the 1892 Pledge scheme orchestrated by the NUST?

    • Yes
      55
    • No
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3 minutes ago, CalmintheChaos said:

This could be a good idea eventually in 5/10 years when it has had enough time but for the near future it means nothing. In fact I see it as a bad thing short term as people will think this is achieving something and allow them to go to games hence keep Ashley here another decade 

How does it factor into people going to games?

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5 minutes ago, GWN said:

I agree, I’m not even bothered to look at what they think , it won’t be pleasant as I would expect, vice versa , fuk each and every one of them . 

I’d have a lot more respect if they tried this. Last year they were kicking off and I’ll be honest, I think back then they could have either managed it or came close to managing to buy their club.

I was speaking to a uni mate of mine who is a season ticket holder for them, and there was no fucking desire to even think about doing something like this. It was all too easy for them to say ‘Woe me’ and not even try.

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I'm in support of this. As a student I can't exactly afford to donate but I hope to in future. The negativity is staggering, this fan base for ages has always been 'embarrassing, won't do or achieve anything so I'll not bother' and heckle those that do and its part of the reason why we're so fucked.

That's people at both sides of the boycott spectrum btw, constantly shout down those that suggest something that may or may not have some effect either now or in future. Don't get the constant screams for a boycott at this current moment in time like, nee fucker has been in the ground for a over a year and the place won't be full for another while yet. 

I don't have faith that this pledge will do much but good luck to those who get and are currently involved and I hope it does. Germany's 50+1 system should be implemented in this country but that's a different topic altogether.

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1 minute ago, CalmintheChaos said:

This could be a good idea eventually in 5/10 years when it has had enough time but for the near future it means nothing. In fact I see it as a bad thing short term as people will think this is achieving something and allow them to go to games hence keep Ashley here another decade 

It'll only be a good idea in 5/10 years time if it starts now. If the ownership changes tomorrow we'd have nothing to try and claim a stake with. If the ownership changes in five years, we could be nearly there. Hearts fans brought together £12million in eight years from 8000 unique donors (is that the right word in this context? :lol:) Replicating something here should be considered possible given the extent of our fanbase. 

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Good luck @Greg and everyone!

Every club should have fans representative!

It seems obvious to me that the consortium are behind it too - Caulkin having a prominent role as well as a few other things!

Takeover to go through and the fans to be on board would be magnificent!

All the best!

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Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

I'm in support of this. As a student I can't exactly afford to donate but I hope to in future. The negativity is staggering, this fan base for ages has always been 'embarrassing, won't do or achieve anything so I'll not bother, heckle those that do' and its part of the reason why we're so fucked.

I think this is an interesting one in regards to that argument, since it doesn't really do anything to improve the biggest problem at the club, which is Mike Ashley.

It may well have a positive influence at the club in the long-term, but I don't think it's fair to say that people who don't like this idea shouldn't be allowed to criticise it.

I personally like the idea, but I do think it's an extremely long shot. And it is also completely dependent on Mike Ashley not being the owner, which will resolve most of our problems in itself.

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5 minutes ago, Stifler said:

I’d have a lot more respect if they tried this. Last year they were kicking off and I’ll be honest, I think back then they could have either managed it or came close to managing to buy their club.

I was speaking to a uni mate of mine who is a season ticket holder for them, and there was no fucking desire to even think about doing something like this. It was all too easy for them to say ‘Woe me’ and not even try.

“Too magesque”  like I say I won’t go looking at what they think .

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1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I think this is an interesting one in regards to that argument, since it doesn't really do anything to improve the biggest problem at the club, which is Mike Ashley.

It may well have a positive influence at the club in the long-term, but I don't think it's fair to say that people who don't like this idea shouldn't be allowed to criticise it.

I personally like the idea, but I do think it's an extremely long shot. And it is also completely dependent on Mike Ashley not being the owner, which will resolve most of our problems in itself.

Not saying people shouldn't be allowed to give constructive criticism of the idea but for years when planned protests or boycotts or whatever the hell in or out SJP have been suggested there's always a group that wants it shot down in flames because its either 'embarrassing' or it 'won't do anything' or 'the mackems will rip the piss' (who actually gives a fuck about what they think btw?). Its showing on this place regarding this and has in the past too. Constant derision of those who try to do something for the better of the club and supporters despite there being no showing of how what they themselves are doing has had any kind of positive impact on change at the club whatsoever. Its beyond boring.

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1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Not saying people shouldn't be allowed to give constructive criticism of the idea but for years when planned protests or boycotts or whatever the hell in or out SJP have been suggested there's always a group that wants it shot down in flames because its either 'embarrassing' or it 'won't do anything' or 'the mackems will rip the piss' (who actually gives a fuck about what they think btw?). Its showing on this place regarding this and has in the past too. Constant derision of those who try to do something for the better of the club and supporters despite there being no showing of how what they themselves are doing has had any kind of positive impact on change at the club whatsoever. Its beyond boring.


or maybe folk just know it won’t change a fuking thing mate? 
 

most have said they applaud it but for me it’s simple , stop going to the fuking games, I don’t get why folk can’t get it into their heads that this apart from a rich nut case coming along is the only way and always has been to get rid of him.Till then we just sit and twist all day every day 😂

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1 hour ago, jonbobson said:

Ian fucking Mearns.

May as well have added wraith if they are happy to have dicks like him involved.

 

 

Whats wrong with Ian Mearns out of interest? 

Sat behind him in the Gallowgate for a season, used to do that mad loud whistle whenever we used to get a corner. Got about 4 in a row once, thought he was going to keel owa. 

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5 minutes ago, GWN said:


or maybe folk just know it won’t change a fuking thing mate? 
 

most have said they applaud it but for me it’s simple , stop going to the fuking games, I don’t get why folk can’t get it into their heads that this apart from a rich nut case coming along is the only way and always has been to get rid of him.Till then we just sit and twist all day every day 😂

Is it possible to do both?

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1 minute ago, GWN said:


or maybe folk just know it won’t change a fuking thing mate? 
 

most have said they applaud it but for me it’s simple , stop going to the fuking games, I don’t get why folk can’t get it into their heads that this apart from a rich nut case coming along is the only way and always has been to get rid of him.Till then we just sit and twist all day every day 😂

Boycotts have shown the same. They don't work with Newcastle fans and never have done. 1989-1991, 2015, the 2018 being cancelled and other protests attempts failing. Nee one has been in the ground for over a year and it won't be full for the foreseeable and the fat cunt is still here. In an ideal world people would stop going until he sold but it just won't happen, clamouring for it whilst having the same attitude towards any changes NUST or any other group suggest to those who actually go to matches which is "well it won't do anything, Ashley won't sell as a result of this pledge/protest/boycott will he so I'll not bother". 

This is from someone who doesn't think that this pledge will do much either btw. :lol: Just more of a rant to those who've immediately shot another idea down in flames before it gets off its arse.

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Just now, Doctor Zaius said:

Whats wrong with Ian Mearns out of interest? 

Sat behind him in the Gallowgate for a season, used to do that mad loud whistle whenever we used to get a corner. Got about 4 in a row once, thought he was going to keel owa. 

:lol:

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2 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Whats wrong with Ian Mearns out of interest? 

Sat behind him in the Gallowgate for a season, used to do that mad loud whistle whenever we used to get a corner. Got about 4 in a row once, thought he was going to keel owa. 

Yeah I sat next to him.

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1 hour ago, InspectorCoarse said:

Yes but its not real involvement or " truly involved " is it ? What you are describing is the use of fans as a stage army when needed for pr purposes . The first time NUSTs fantasy of fan involvement ever goes up against the needs of the actual owners then people would see the real nature of ownership and where power lies ...

Any fan involvement at any level if real is valuable to the club and indeed the fans full stop whether it’s Wor Flags, fans attending open day training sessions, fans being allowed to watch the lads train every day as happened under KK or fans owning a 1% stake in the club.
 

I’m pretty certain NUST if they achieved that goal, on behalf of their members, would be under no illusions as to what their stake would truly represent and indeed any owners, but it’s a small step to having true fan representation and not just involvement at a high level within the corridors of power at the club which can not be diluted, only added to.
 

Further to that it’s a potential protection/safeguard  of our club in the future against another Ashley and an avenue to launch saving the club should it drop down the league/s or end up going under.

 

This isn’t a fantasy it’s an actual move for and towards exactly what it effectively says on the tin and if anyone with a genuine passion for the club to progress and be United once again should be happy and do what they can to help this goal materialise at some point.

Not gripe, whinge or worry about what other fans think (who honestly gives a fuck, I find it sadder that someone would worry what a mackem thinks on their message board about the Mags and more concerning personally) and if not, don’t join, don’t pledge, but don’t fucking knock the attempts of others wanting what’s best for the club and the fans.

Have genuine questions and issues? Contact the Trust, get involved and offer something of your own to any of this. That’s not a direct dig at you btw, I’m speaking in general. 

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As sure as a groan from the East Stand follows any misplaced pass, any fan-led initiative will be followed by the same tedious bores having a big old fucking whinge.

I don’t understand the desire to heap derision on stuff like this. You can be of the belief that it won’t work, but surely it’s better to provide some sort of critical support to people who are attempting to change things for the better? Especially in this instance where there seems to be some semblance of perspective and realism about what’s achievable, and it isn’t associated with some grifting cunt desperate for some publicity. If you’re embarrassed then you’re supporting the wrong football club. We’re a laughing stock - have been for most of the last decade - and it has very little to do with the fans.

You don’t get brownie points for being a miserable git on the internet, even if you are eventually proven correct.

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Good idea in theory, but it’s so difficult to pull off and needs substantial support at a time people’s interest in NUFC is reducing.

There’s also too many gaps and maybes to get people engaged on this regularly. 

There’s also a question as to what this achieves. A nominal stake in the club will do nothing that a well organised Trust couldn’t achieve with a good relationship with the owners [caveat of it not being MA].

On a separate note... Remember ‘’MyFootballClub”? Everyone chipped in, bought Ebbsfleet and it was fucking awful. Everyone lost interest and it ended badly.

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From my point of view it’s because I have met @Greg and Caulkin, spoke to them both and know what great work for the club each of them do that has convinced me. There is no way either of them would be doing this to rob supporters, and have reason to believe that this could lead to something. In Caulkin case I think he’s very much in a position to have been able to rule something like this out assuming the Staveley lead consortium take control of the club, and him putting his name to it is massive.

I guess I’m in a position that other fans aren’t because I have met both and know their true intentions, had it been others then I would be a lot more skeptical and unwilling to put money chips in.

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3 minutes ago, christ said:

As sure as a groan from the East Stand follows any misplaced pass, any fan-led initiative will be followed by the same tedious bores having a big old fucking whinge.

I don’t understand the desire to heap derision on stuff like this. You can be of the belief that it won’t work, but surely it’s better to provide some sort of critical support to people who are attempting to change things for the better? Especially in this instance where there seems to be some semblance of perspective and realism about what’s achievable, and it isn’t associated with some grifting cunt desperate for some publicity. If you’re embarrassed then you’re supporting the wrong football club. We’re a laughing stock - have been for most of the last decade - and it has very little to do with the fans.

You don’t get brownie points for being a miserable git on the internet, even if you are eventually proven correct.

However you're allowed an opinion on whether you think fan group ownership, or a fans group having a seat on the board is a good idea or not. It's not just a test of who is optimistic and who is miserable.

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6 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I’m pretty certain NUST if they achieved that goal, on behalf of their members, would be under no illusions as to what their stake would truly represent

Exactly , it would just be pr puff , not anything where fans would have a real say in the club . 

If fans want to fund this go right ahead but it amounts to very little in the final analysis . Chasing rainbows is all it is 

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3 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

If people don't like this then fine, you don't have to participate or join up but constantly digging NUST, saying it's hopeless or describing it's embarrassing is fucking ridiculous. 

Aye, these are good people, good intentioned people. If the club were ran as well as NUST with the calibre of people involved in NUST we wouldn’t be having this discussion, ever. Honestly this has perked me up where NUFC and footy is concerned no end and why I rejoined the forum as NUFC in its current state is dead to me, zero interest whatsoever. So thanks NUST :clap:

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